Question about collagen function

Mr. Liebl,

I have been reading extensively on collagen induction, and am excited to learn about such a compelling product. Having endured 4 painful Fraxel treatments with limited results (and horrid swelling), I am very much looking forward to experiencing the results you are able to achieve.

I do have one question that remains unanswered, and that pertains to needle length. I am hoping you can enlighten me in this respect.

In the abstract “STIMULATION OF CELL GROWTH” it stated that collagen fibers were not produced deeper than 0.5 to 0.6mm even though 1.5mm needles were used for penetration (quote listed below).

Does this mean that a Dermaroller with a needle length of LESS than 1.5mm can produce these same results? If yes, what is the shortest needle than can effectively impact moderate wrinkles, pigmentation issues, and other anti-aging concerns? (I do understand that both needle length and eletrical charge may come into play regarding results)

Thank you for providing an alternative to lasers, etc….your work is very much appreciated. I look forward to your reply.

Bethany

Quote from Abstract:
The theory expounded by some experts ‘the longer the needle the better’, is not supported by scientific evidence! After evaluation of all of the biopsies in Dr Schwarz’s study, new collagen fibers were only found close to the corium and not deeper than 0.5 to 0.6 mm. Although the Dermaroller model MF8 has 1.5 mm long needles, no significant new collagen and elastin formation could be found in the sub-dermal tissue. It may be possible that longer needles may have a higher electrical potential, but needles longer than 1.5 mm increase the risk to damage nerves and vessels, and this again will result in haematomas and possible nerve paralysis.

DERMAROLLER® CONQUERS SPAIN

Our partner MESO ESTETIC invited us to Spain to introduce the DERMAROLLER CONCEPT.

We also would like to thank the organizers, especially Dr. Garcia, for giving us the opportunity to introduce this unique medical procedure to the Spanish Medical Society. In a lecture and a workshop the following day we could convince the critical audience of the advantages of this simple, but most effective medical technique to treat stretch marks, scars and many other skin disorders.

Many journalists were present and several articles will be published to make the public understand that DERMAROLLING is an effective treatment to solve skin disfigurement.

The Spanish Society is very open to new forms of skin treatment and within hours our stock of Dermarollers was sold like hot cakes - a pity we did not have a lorry to serve the demand.

If you never have been to Spain you have missed a lot. You’ll meet great people with a warm hospitality. Their wine is superb and the food, especially the TAPAS, is extraordinary. But as far as Spanish dining hours is concerned, one needs a strong stomach to survive. Dinner starts at 10 p.m., a time when other Europeans go to bed. And if you look for a Disco at midnight, you’ll be disappointed because they are either empty ore closed. Nightlife in Spain starts around 2 a.m., a time when the rest of Europe is fast asleep. Different countries – different people – different habits.

Viva Espana!

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Dermaroller rolls through China

DERMAROLLER ROLLS INTO CHINA

CEO Charley Ren from Shanghai Reyoung Biotechnology Ltd. invited our Vice President Michael Tomerius in April 2008 to participate on the 7th Shanghai Congress for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery. Michael had the opportunity to explain and demonstrate the Dermaroller Concept. He trained many Chinese physicians and supervised the treatment on various patients that suffered from acne scars and other skin disorders.

We here in the West do understand very little or almost nothing about China, its people and their long tradition over thousands of years. One has to be present in China to understand the extreme hard and fierce competition in this densely populated State. Unlike in the West, people must fight much harder there to survive and to make a decent living. Therefore it is understandable to some extent, that people copy Western technology, although it is not fair and causes a lot of problems between China and the rest of the world.

Michael saw several copies of our original Dermaroller. But having a closer look at them, the huge difference in quality could easily be noticed, and physicians realised our advanced technology. No doubt, needle therapies, such as acupuncture, originate from China, and this is the reason why Asian people have no needle-phobia like we in the West. Chinese somewhat know instinctively that fine needles have a positive effect, and that’s why they invited us to their country to learn more about Dermarolling. Instead of exchanging unpopular arguments, we all can learn from each other.

We at Dermaroller know that it is a long and winding road to success, but the first step into China was done.
Thank you Charley for giving us the chance to be in China and to meet with your open society and your friendly people. The food was good as always in China and cannot be compared with Chinese restaurant copy outlets in Europe.

Dermaroller in the Holy Land

	When the news was spread that the Dermaroller Concept will be introduced in Israel, physicians were eager to learn more about this new form to treat aged skin, scars, stretch marks and many other skin disorders. Naturally there was skepticism in the beginning that such a little device like the Dermaroller could achieve the same or even better results than ablative techniques like laser, dermabrasion or peeling.
	The results we presented on our slide show were hard to believe, and next day after the workshop many physicians called us in their offices and clinics for endless questions, and if this or that case could be treated…All in all I can say, it was a fantastic experience to meet such a very open society. I met wonderful people and the food was excellent. To understand this ancient place and what happens there and why, one simply must go there. When you see Jerusalem with its Temple Mountain and ancient places, you suddenly understand where you are.
It does not matter in what Religion you believe in, there is no more cosmopolitan town and tolerant society like Jerusalem and Israel. Thanks to you my friend Heskia, I definitely will come back.

Question about treatment intervals

Hello Mr. Liebl,

In my quest to learn more about your DermaRoller and CIT process I have read through your website and found it very informative. However, I am a little uncertain about a few issues concerning the treatment protocol with the 1.5 mm size, and hope you can share some additional details with me.

I understand that the entire process of how the Dermaroller works is based on the wound-healing cycle and that a cascade of actions is stimulated by the micro-injuries created by the DermaRoller in the dermis. I’ve read several articles that describe the three phases of wound healing (Inflammation, Proliferation, Maturation). However, I am not clear on one issue. When a new sheet of collagen is laid down just above the dermis and is populating with Collagen Type III for approximately 21 days from the onset of the “injury”, it then slowly converts from Type III to Type I. From that point on, the collagen fibers composed of Type I begin to strengthen and the greatest effects of skin remodeling take place and continue to do so for upwards of a year (or longer).

Based on this, I am wondering how it is possible to tell so early on after an initial DermaRoller treatment if you require another treatment (or more) 4 to 6 weeks later. The Maturation phase extends beyond 4 to 6 weeks and this is when the greatest results are developing and become more visable….right?
Essentially how can you ’see’ results that haven’t had a chance to mature yet?
I am also wondering why just 3 treatments instead of 4 or 6, etc., should additional treatments be deemed necessary. Is the Maturation phase interrupted in some way by incorporating additional treatments with the 1.5 mm too close together? Some other ‘experts’ are claiming that the 1.5 mm size can be used several times a week for an indefinite period of time. But this just does not make ANY sense to me based on the wound-healing cascade and life cycle.

I am truly hoping that you can help me understand the reasoning behind the different Treatment Instructions for the 1.5 mm and why they should be stopped after 3 procedures during the first year of using the DermaRoller.

Thank you so much for your time and help. I look forward to hearing back from you.

Regards,
Lorraine

(Quote from website) “According to the individual skin condition, 1 to 3 procedures, separated by 4 to 6 weeks, are sufficient to resurface the skin. As aging continues, we recommend one refresher-CIT every year. Between the CITs and after the last one, you can support the results of the CIT by using the Home Care Dermaroller in combination with high-end peptide serums.”

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